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Post by Arwen on Apr 26, 2002 19:42:55 GMT
Welcome to the room of great learning, a spacious cave crammed with books. There are tables and chairs throughout the room. The atmosphere is hushed but the gentle rippling of the river passing just outside creates an ambient feel.
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Post by Arwen on Apr 26, 2002 19:55:50 GMT
*Picks up a large leather bound book and starts to read* THE LANGUAGES OF THE ELVES
The Elves far back in the Eldar days became divided into two main branches: the West-Elves ( the Eldar) and the East- Elves. Of the Eldarin tongues the most common were: the High-Elven or Quenya and the Grey-Elven or Sindarin. Quenya was an ancient tongue which had become an 'Elven latin' used for ceremony and for high matters of lore and song. The Grey-Elven (Sindarin) was in origin akin to Quenya, for it was the language of those Eldar who had not passed over the sea but had lingered on the coasts of Beleriand. Thingol Greycloak was there king and in the long twilight their tongue had changed with the changefullness of mortal lands and had become far estranged from the speech of the Eldar.
Sindarin was adopted for daily use and hence it is the tongue of all Elves and Elf-Lords that appear in history.
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Post by Arwen on Apr 27, 2002 8:56:50 GMT
PRONUNCIATION OF WORDS AND NAMES
CONSONANTS C has the value of k, even before e and i. Celeb (silver) should be pronunced keleb.
CH is only used to represent the sound heard in Bach (in German and Welsh), not that in English church.
DH represents the voiced (soft) th of English these clothes.
F represents f except at the end of words where it represents v - Nindalf, Fladrif.
G has only the sound of g in give - gil (star) Gildor.
H The quenya combination of ht has the sound of cht as in German echt
I has the sound of y in you, yore.
QU has been used for cw, a combination frequent in Quenya.
R represents a trilled r.
S is always voiceless as in English so, geese.
TH represents the voiceless th of English thin. Had become s in spoken quenya - Ithil (moon)
TY represents the sound of t in tune.
Note that consonants written twice tt, ll, ss,nn, represent long double consonants.
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Post by Rhiannon on Apr 29, 2002 20:44:43 GMT
*Knocks at the door frame* May I join you? I love books and this is one of the most beautiful libraries I ever saw.
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Post by Arwen on Apr 29, 2002 21:00:42 GMT
Oh please do Rhiannon. I love it in here. You can lose all track of time leafing through the books. If you find any interesting information on the Elvish Languages then please read it out.
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Post by Arwen on Apr 29, 2002 21:29:02 GMT
*continues with her reading*
VOWELS
For vowels the letters i, e, a, o, u are used, and ( in Sindarin only) y. As far as can be determined the sounds represented by these letters (other than y) were of normal kind, though doubtless many local varieties escape detection. That is, the sounds were approximately those represented by English machine, were, father, for, brute, irrespective of quantity. In Sindarin long a,e,o had the same quality as short vowels. In Quenya long e and o were tenser and closer than the short vowels. Sindaring alone possessed the 'modified' or fronted u, as in French lune. For this sound y has been used as in lyg (snake). In Gondor this y was pronunced like i.
Long vowels are usually marked with the acute accent. In SIndarin long vowels in stressed monosyllables are marked with the circumflex, since they tended to be specially prolonged. Final e is never mute or a mere sign of length as in English. The groups er, ir, ur (finally or before a consonant) are not intended to be pronunced as in English fern, fir, fur but rather air, eer, oor.
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Post by Rhiannon on Apr 30, 2002 16:53:46 GMT
*Smiles* Thank you, Arwen. *Sits down at the table and takes one of the language books.*
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Post by Arwen on Apr 30, 2002 20:29:52 GMT
STRESSES
The position of the 'accent' or stress is not marked, since in the Eldarin languages concerned its place is determined by the form of the word. In words of two syllables it falls in practically all cases on the first syllable. In longer words it falls on the last syllable but one, where that contains a long vowel, a dipthong, or a vowel followed by two or more consonants. Where the last syllable but one contains a short vowel followed by only one (or no) consonant, the stress falls on the syllable before it, the third from the end. Words of this last form are favoured in the Eldarin languages especially Quenya.
In the following examples the stressed vowel is marked by a capital letter. isIldur, Orome, erEssea, ancAlima, elentAri, dEnethor, periAnnath, ecthElion, pelArgir.
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Post by Arwen on May 2, 2002 20:32:10 GMT
*Puts her book down and goes over to the open window, stretches in the morning sun. Starts counting out loud.*
1. Er (erh) 2. Atta (at-uh) 3. Nelde (nehld) 4. Kinta (kin-tah) 5. Lempe (lehmp) 6. Enque (enk) 7. Otso (awt-soh) 8. Tolto (tohl-toh) 9. Nerte (neert) 10. Kainen (kay-nehn)
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Rad
Pizgal (Corporal)
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It's time we had a chat about the birds and the bees
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Post by Rad on May 8, 2002 22:23:25 GMT
hmm..ROTK.....silmirillian...others....you must have researched hard for this presentation. My thanks and compliments.
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Post by Arwen on May 13, 2002 17:57:02 GMT
PEOPLE in Quenya
QUENDE: Elf , though this really only applies to the non-Avari Elves only. ATAN: (Mortal) Man FIRYA and FIRIMA: Mortal NAUCO: Dwarf, also CASAR from dwarfish 'Khazad' ORCO/URCO: Orc
GENERAL TERMS
QUEN: Person (pl. queni) NER: Man (pl. neri) VEO: Adult man NIS/NISSE: Woman (pl.nissi) HINA: Child LAPSE: Baby SELDO: Boy WENDE: Maiden, girl LIE: A people as a whole - as in ELDALIE=People of the Elves.
THE FAMILY
VERNO: Husband VESSE: Wife INDIS: Bride ATAR: Father ATTO: Dad AMIL/AMME: Mother MAMIL: Mom YONDO: Son YELDE: Daughter TORON: Brother (pl. Torni) SELER: Sister (pl. Selli) INDYO: Grandchild, descendant ONONA: Twin
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Post by ~Dernhelm~ on May 15, 2002 13:31:54 GMT
(Eowyn enters through the door) "Mind if I join in? I have begun an Elvish mailing list and anyone can join if they want to. It's just a bunch of words in Quenya as well as a bit of Sindarin which are put into a Microsoft Word Document. I have over 30 pages of vocabulary now and I will be glad to email them to whoever wants them. My address is amigaleia@hotmail.com By the way, whenever I find more words from various sources, I update my "Glossary" and send the list of words again to the people who wish to join. Anyone interested?"
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Post by Arwen on May 15, 2002 15:40:49 GMT
Creoso Elvellon! Havo Dad ar sed
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Post by Arwen on May 16, 2002 18:16:46 GMT
While typing these lists I realised that they may be useful not only for learning Elvish but also as a reference for general RP, as they reveal much about the fauna and flora of Middle-Earth.
ANIMALS
CELVA: 'moving animal' LAMAN: four footed animals ANDAMUNDA: Elephant HUO: Dog RONYO: 'Hound of chase' HYALMA: Shell, conch LEUCA: Snake LINGWE: Fish HALA: Small fish LOKE: worm, dragon RAMALOKE: winged dragon URULOKE: Firedragon LINGWILOKE: sea-serpent MAMA: Sheep MORCO: Bear MUNDO: Ox NYARO: Rat RA: Lion RACA / NARMO: Wolf NAURO: Werewolf ROCCO: Horse RUSCO: Fox WILWARIN: Butterfly YAXE: Cow
BIRDS
AIWE: Small bird ALQUA: Swan AMMALE: Yellowbird CU / CUA: Dove HALATIR: Kingfisher LINDO: Singing bird MORILINDE: Nightingale MAIWE: Gull SORON / SORNE: Eagle TAMBARO: Woodpecker TUILINDO: Swallow CORCO: Crow
PLANTS:
OLVA: Plant UILE: Long, trailing plant UARUILE: Seaweed SALQUE: Grass SARA: Stiff, dry grass LASSE: Leaf OLWA: Branch TUSSA: Bush HWAN: Sponge, fungus LOTE: Flower LOSSE: Blossom NIENINQUE: Snowdrop ATHELAS: Kingsfoil
TREES
ALDA: Tree ORNE: small, slender tree ALALME: Elm FEREN: Beech ERCASSE: Holly MALINORNE: Mallorn NORNO: Oak TASAR: Willow TYULUSSE: Poplar
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Post by Arwen on May 17, 2002 19:02:27 GMT
METALS, SUBSTANCES, ELEMENTS
TINCO / RAUTA: metal MALTA: Gold CULLO: Red-gold TELPE: Silver ANGA: Iron CEMEN: Earth, soil NEN: Water NARE: Flame, fire VILYA: Air LOSSE: Snow HELCE: Ice LITSE: Sand ASTO: Dust ONDO: Stone ROSSE: Dew HYELLE: Glass TO: Wool FALLE: Foam
BODY PARTS
CAR: Head LOXE: Hair FINDESSE: Head of hair ANTA: Face HEN: Eye LAR: Ears NENGWE: Nose ANTO: Mouth PE: Lip NELET: Tooth (pl. Nelci) LAMBA: Tongue FANGA: Beard LANCO: Throat YAT: Neck HON: Heart RANCO: Arm (pl. Ranqui) MA: Hand CAMBE: Hollow of hand QUARE: Fist LEPSE: Finger TIUCO: Thigh TELCO: Leg (pl.Telqui) TAL: Foot TALLUNE: Sole of foot AXO: Bone HRAVE: Flesh SERCE: Blood
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